If you made it over to this second installment, I almost want to preface it by saying I am sorry! It is a lot to take in, a lot to digest, and some of this was downright disgusting to have to lay out and put into one place. I want to first thank those who took the time to ask me questions without attacking me, as I know the type of knee-jerk response that comes with seeing someone have negative things to say about people that we tend to put up on a pedestal. I also cannot express how amazing it is to have the outpouring of support, requests for interviews, etc. etc. come in from people all over the place. I was not expecting this, but SO MANY people seem to have been sitting on their own stories and tellings about how No Virus INC. treated them, how they were screwed out of money by them, or how they were subjected to similar attacks on their character for simply having the audacity to question the motive and intent behind some of these people in the alt health sphere.
It is important to me to make something clear before we move forward: I am not doing this for attention, money, accolades, personal gain, to slander anybody, or anything like that. I am only doing this for two reasons: the first is to give myself peace of mind. I cannot tell you how shitty it feels to be out in the trenches battling the trolls, trying to give people information about germ vs terrain theory, and have someone drop a link to something like Christine Massey’s FOIA’s or an interview with Sam Bailey or Mike Stone’s Viroliegy website and trying not to blow a small gasket. Perhaps that is my own emotions being triggered, of course, and not through any fault of the poor soul who is just trying to share that they have also discovered this information and really, they are just trying to give me some sources to work through. When I try to explain to folks like this that I have actually had some of my own FOIA’s featured on Massey’s site, that I have had private (and public) battles with the Dr.’s Bailey, and actually interviewed Mike Stone myself at one point, and have NO desire to view their work, share it, or otherwise… these folks always want to know why I feel this way. Instead of contstantly having to hammer out loquacious explanations that takes up more of my time than I care to admit, I would like nothing more than to say, “No thanks, I don’t trust these people” and be able to drop a link to these articles in order to explain why. It helps me to put everything down in my own words, leave it there, and be able to move on and continue to do the work that I would like to do in this realm of health and science… something I have been avoiding because of all of this wreckage and bullshit. No more… this is how I take my power back.
The second reason is because I feel that it is the right and just thing to do. If you have ever read the Havamal, you are familiar with this quote contained within the text of Stanza 127: “Where you recognize evil, call it evil, and give no truce to your enemies.” I thought so long and hard before sitting and having to give this all my fucking energy. I thought about the potential consequences for the No Virus message as a whole, I thought of the hate and lashing out I would receive, I even thought about how it would affect the people mentioned, because I am not a heartless piece of shit. After much consideration, I felt that this is what needed to be done. Again, not for just my own piece of mind, but to do what is right. By putting this truth all down for the world to see, how many people might I help to avoid getting sucked in by these characters? How many lies, inconsistencies, etc. are being covered-up and perpetuated by my silence?
So with that lengthy introduction out of the way, I want to now take you back to the beginning… to the first interactions with No Virus INC. that really took the blinders off for me. There is a reason why when Christine sent me those emails it was the proverbial nail in the coffin for me. Honestly, the timing of it all really just served to coincide with everything else that I was being shown by these people.
Vicious Vollmer and the Terrain Family
As mentioned in the first installment, I had a colleague that I was working with and podcasting with, whom I will refer to as D in the interest of respecting her privacy. During the time that we spent working together, we were admitted to a private Telegram group called “Terrain Family”. This was a group in which many of the No Virus INC. players were a part of where things were coordinated and discussed, with hot topics such as the Poornima Wagh affair, Flat Earth, and more. You should have seen these people panic over Wagh! Many of them didn’t even know how to spot controlled opposition if it hit them from a mile away, failing to take into account things like inorganic growth, fake credentials, etc. etc. We almost had to CONVINCE, them to look into it further (hmm, perhaps a reason for this or just ignorance?). They seemingly began to catch on and that is what led to several of us publishing about it all at the time. (Note: That was BEFORE I seen the absolutely revolting information about Coppolino for those who would point that out.) Looking back now, I do wonder if some of these people were actually in on it, and whether or not the entire Poornima Wagh affair was not some charade meant to have the appearance of tearing them apart from the inside. A story for another time.
Anyways, during my stint in the Terrain Family group, Flat Earth came up for the hundredth time. This time, D and I watched as Amandha Vollmer absolutely tear into a woman that was supposed to be her “friend” and call her all sorts of names for simply asking relevant questions about the topic. In a group of around 120 people, only 3 of us stood up for this woman: a single man who’s name I do not remember, D, and myself. EVERYONE else sat there silently while Amandha went on her tirade. D and I were so disgusted and so disappointed that we ended up leaving that group. This is where true colors were subsequently shown…
It was around this time that The End of Covid stuff was being planned. According to what I was told, there were talks about D participating in the project UNTIL Amandha stomped her foot like a child and threw a fucking tantrum over it. You see, folks who were still in the Terrain Room after our departure said she made pretty big scene out of us calling her out and departing the group. In her fit of rage, she made sure that D was excluded from TEOC, with people like Mike Donio and Mike Stone even apologizing on her behalf. At this point, it wouldn’t have mattered, because D chose to opt out of participating anyways. Honestly, who could blame her? Over time, interest was massively lost, and the roster of people that got brought on for the project tells me that in retrospect, it was a MAJOR bullet dodged. Who the fuck wants to be connected to that controlled opposition fucking circus of a project?
The self-proclaimed “Trojan Horse” remember? I do. Interesting choice of words…
However, the whole scenario did serve the purpose of demonstrating how far someone like Amandha would go to exercise control. She seems to be a very narcissistic woman, and very much stuck in her own echo chamber. I cannot tell you the countless number of times I have seen people say that they were banned from her TG channel or her Substack for simply asking questions. I honestly won’t even bore you with the screenshots, but I do wonder how many reading this will be among those who have encountered this trollish behavior from her. She proclaims all of this love and light and understanding stuff but doesn’t seem to practice it much herself. A true hypocrite. Her attacks in the Terrain Family group were a prime example of this. It is very similar to the way she attacks people for appealing to credentialism while she herself is constantly touting her wide variety of eclectic credentials to anyone who will listen. Oddly enough, some of said credentials have come under fire on several occasions, with Amandha doing the most outstanding of mental gymnastics to try and justify the entire thing, involving a great deal of appeal to emotion.
It is really too bad that she cannot take her own advice. I think she would be much more effective and helpful to others if she could just do that for herself! Below is another prime example of her hypocrisy… a post she put under Mike Stone’s article called The Hunt (which he has now admitted was due to my Twitter post that called out Sam Bailey… I will address this nonsense as well in a moment).
You can find the above Note at this LINK. Below what she wrote here, you will see Amandha mention the late Bill Huston (Rest in Peace) and how she tried to help him and that he was the source of his own suffering blah, blah, blah. Now this one really grinds my fucking gears, because either Amandha did not know about some of the things they were doing to Bill, or she simply did not care. With paintbrush in hand, the picture was painted that Bill was pretty much crazy. Allow me to elaborate…
Bill would share things with me a lot. Similar things to what you seen Amandha post, but other things as well. While I have no problem admitting he can be a bit eccentric, pushy even, the guy really did mean well. He did some of the most amazing work dismantling the controlled opposition clowns and had some hard-hitting points when it came to unraveling virology and the germ theory. Enough cannot be said about his work, and there are times I really miss the guy and wonder to myself how different the landscape of this whole debacle might be if he was still here. We would butt heads sometimes, and we definitely did not always agree on everything… the beauty of people who can share ideas and not allow personal feelings or beliefs get in the way of exercising our great minds- a rarity in today’s world, really.
Among some of the other the things he had shared with me was how he would send the Baileys info all of the time that they would use for their content on social media and in their videos and whatnot. Not like a one-off thing here or there, from what I understand, they used it multiple times for multiple projects. They did this without so much as a thank you or a mention or anything. It would really upset him, he felt like he was just being used. When he asked about it, he would just get answers like, “Oh, hey you know, a lot of people send us leads… we can’t possibly thank them all.” Funny, that is the exact answer Christine gave me when I asked her about it all at the time…what a terrible excuse. Surely you can credit the person you have used more than a handful of times? Here is the proof in a draft link he sent to me awhile back: https://apocalypticyoga.substack.com/p/ce245ae5-2cc6-4772-ab81-10c4170f3fc1
What is deeply upsetting is the way these people treated this man was likely a MASSIVE contributor to his waning health. Below is just one example of how these people were making Bill feel. Warning, it is a bit painful, but the world needs to know how these people ultimately made him feel and provides an additional demonstration that begs the question: how does one go from being so supportive of No Virus INC. to sending heart-wrenching messages like this and questioning all of their motives??
Now, TO BE ABSOLUTELY FUCKING CLEAR since folks like Mike Stone seem to have the idea that I am talking about things Bill shared privately with me with ill intent or against his wishes: Bill absolutely wanted people to know this stuff… he just did not want to deal with the blowback and the fallout, especially since he was already dealing with attacks from some of No Virus INC. and their associates, as well as really just wanting to live out the rest of his days in peace and be left the fuck alone. In fact, he actually DID start going after some of these people publicly before he became too ill to really give it much thought and have it suck more of his time and precious energy. Now that he is at rest and these people cannot heckle him, combined with the nature of our talks- as well as the fact that he was really seeing how shitty some of No Virus INC. are- I think it is not only appropriate, but necessary to include this information because it has a LOT to do with the current discussion. It serves to further demonstrate who some of these people promote behind closed doors and really demonstrates how some of them treat people they seem to deem beneath them or those who call them out.
Now, is the stuff Bill share about them some crime against humanity? Of course not, but it certainly paints a picture, doesn’t it? Especially when you consider what the Baileys did to trash The Poisoned Kiwi. They tried to make him look crazy too, ironically for exposing very similar plagiarist-type shit. You can read more about that here:
We can actually tie in similar behavior from Amandha here, as she would demonstrate the same type of plagiarism. In comes that Terrain Family group again… I have seen proof that she poached the information and articles and notes that someone compiled on Lyme disease and posted in that group… she then took it all for herself and wrote an article about it. Again, same thing, doesn’t even bother to properly credit the person, and it instead took someone posting the original work in the comments to do so. I have seen them do this more than a few times. If any of those people end up reading this, and I have a feeling they will, I leave that up to you to share in the comments if you’d like.
Another thing you will notice there in Vollmer’s Note- aside from her unwavering ability to constantly shill her credentials- is the professing of her love and adoration for Vitamin D. This leads me to the next saga in the No Virus INC. tale…
Promo Codes, Vitamins, and Minoxidil… Oh My!
The Vitamin D shilling was perhaps the most revealing issue when it came to finally sussing these people out. I find it quite disturbing that they seem to have zero problem with pushing toxic supplements and other substances on people. It is the epitome of choosing the Red vs Blue Kool-Aid: leave allopathy and toxic pharmaceuticals, but here, buy my alt poisons instead! If you call this stuff out, like Robin Stebbins in her article Disastrous DMSO, you get met with threats from Amandha’s legal team. Behold:
It was around this time that Robin, DPL, and myself sat down and talked about the harms in many toxic supplements, with a highlight on vitamin D. You can find that here:
There are many others who have been discussing this as well. In fact, we seen in the Thailand email drop that Coppolino posted about Kaufman doing just that in his limo ride! Why is Vollmer not freaking out about Vitamin C attacks!! Seems like another case of ‘rules for thee but not for me’ line of thinking. You can only call out toxic vitamin supplements and shill poisons if you are No Virus INC.
If so many people are demonstrating these harms, even people that No Virus INC. are all friends with, you would think that it would be wise for people like Vollmer or the Baileys to take a look at the evidence put forth, correct? Same way we break the spell on virus paradigms, right? No, instead they strategically attack those talking about this, send their attack dogs to do it for them, or completely ignore them and continue shilling their bullshit products and tests with promo codes. Because it seems they don’t believe in much. Ah, but they won’t dare attack their No Virus INC. buddies on this one, will they? Can’t draw negative attention to them, eh? No, instead they have these cherry-picked battles with everyone else over it all.
More examples incoming… let’s look at Mike Stone’s attack dog role in this for a sec. Remember: Stone is someone I invited onto the our old podcast and was pretty friendly with up until this all took place. I was also the one who invited him into Jamie’s Telegram group, where you will see several exchanges from below. I have openly caught Stone being dishonest about this exchange, even lying about the dates to make it appear that I was somehow unhinged and attacked Sam Bailey out of nowhere. This all came about after we had some disagreement with him in our group discussions over his defense of Mark and Sam Bailey. A disagreement that occurred because some of us dared to ask why the Baileys still had a video up that was A) not only shilling vitamin D but B) was doing so with an affiliate promo code to a website that sells Vitamin D tests, tests for COVID, STD’s, and other fake viruses. The very glaring issue was: the promo codes were STILL ACTIVE. In fact, the last time I checked, on March 30, 2025- a year and a half AFTER this all happened-the promo codes were still active!!! Check it out:
Why in the world would people like the Baileys have active affiliate codes for products that do nothing but enable and support the Germ Theory?? Or for tests that support harmful vitamin supplements? However, Mike fails to mention that that specific part of the issue for whatever reason and only asks about the vitamin D video. Here is what he sent:
Charming. So Mike needs to get something from Mark to “shut us up” right? His disingenuous way of positing the question and his omission of the promo code part really upset some of us. I said as much to him, and he even apologized. He knew he was fucking wrong. It seemed that he had no real intentions of clearing up any misunderstandings and verbiage like “digging stuff up” makes it sound like the people who are just asking relevant questions are part of some covert op. Several of us challenged why he left that part out but only asked about the vitamin D shit. So, this was sent as a follow-up:
Notice that he STILL does not mention anything about the use of the promo codes on that website. What was the reason for this? At any rate, this was Mark Bailey’s brilliant response:
What. The. Fuck. There are so many things wrong with this response. The hilarious display of strawmanning is truly something to behold. It is actually funny, because a lot of No Virus Inc. love to call others out for use of logical fallacies and dismally fail to see how they also do the exact same thing. Honestly, this response makes a LOT more sense when you have also been sitting on the knowledge that while Bill Huston was out there fucking up these poison pushers and shills online, Mark Bailey heeded Bill Huston to ‘go easy’ on Simon Goddek, king fucking Vitamin D pusher!!
I would say that this is unbelievable, but I think we all know better. Anyways, I want to further demonstrate additional examples of this toxic behavior here, which came about when Mike Stone throws on his cape to defend the Baileys again. The following came after I gave the Baileys a month to sort their shit out and see what they would do. I wanted to see if they would remove the video, or the promo codes, or own up to any of this stuff publicly or make some sort of correction. Because- despite the attacks and assumptions I received- I understand that not everyone learns at the same time. Not everyone is given info at the same time, so maybe, just MAYBE they only needed to get a push in the right direction and go research the harms themselves and then course-correct. They did not. So I began to question this all publicly now…
Do you see the weird shit these people do? I cannot believe after the Mark Bailey comment about water being toxic in high doses he decides to ask me about coffee or alcohol! Where is the logic here? If everything is just toxic in higher doses, then what the fuck is anyone in the health freedom movement even doing?? Under this sort of idea, apparently we are all wasting our time calling out vaccines and other toxic crap because everything is just harmful in large doses anyways, right? I am sorry, but I just cannot deal with that level of stupidity. Perhaps after seeing exchanges like this, people will understand the frustration and behavior that comes from folks like Jamie, Rod, myself, and others. This was WELL-EARNED and I cannot state enough how much I tried to be civil before resorting to being an asshole.
If the vitamin D shilling and promo codes for the letsgetchecked.com website weren’t enough, as you can see above, it was also discovered that the Baileys were shilling for Minoxidil, A HAIR LOSS PRODUCT FOR FUCKING PFIZER!!! Again, what is someone who makes videos taking down Pfizer and calling them out for their dishonesty, and for being sued, and for toxic vaccines, etc. doing with ACTIVE affiliate promo codes for Minoxidil?! Here is Mike’s take on that:
I cannot be the only person who sees an issue with any of this!!! The defenders of this nonsense will likely attack my comment section here and say that these are old videos, old promo codes, and that I am not giving people the grace to take in new information and evolve their stance. That is incorrect. The emails back and forth shared in that Telegram group were an entire month before anyone said anything about this publicly. This was first questioned with no ill intent, in a private conversation, and I gave them a month… here we are nearly two years later and some of the promo codes were still up, just until a couple of months ago.
So this entire thing is indefensible, really.
I will ask again: why are we not allowed to hold No Virus INC. to the same standards as everyone else in the health freedom movement? Why are we trading one set of gurus for another without due diligence and asking relevant questions? Does Mike Stone FAIL to realize that the ONLY reason anyone started “going after him” was due to his disingenuous and shameful fucking behavior?! What about the Baileys? Vollmer? Do any of these people not realize that it is through their own actions that people began questioning them and eventually became fed-up with their scams? How can you argue with proofs like this and still find a way to defend these actions? To further demonstrate the ongoing failure to be honest about this entire thing, I leave this recent exchange with Mike Stone. It can be found in the comment section below his follow-up to the Out of Control piece.
Note that I have since taken to blocking him and can care less about his ability to comment and ‘defend’ himself. I honestly have no time to go back and forth with him and the time for talking about all of this was at the end of 2023 when the questions were all initially posed. I am not here to debate anyone, I am merely putting everything out there for the rest of the world to see where I am coming from, and to put this shit to bed and be able to carry on with my life and my work without having to constantly explain this entire fiasco over and over again. I couldn’t possibly care any less about what these miscreants think of me.
That is about all for this saga of drama-infested madness.
I do want to part ways on this topic by giving a massive hat-tip to both Bill Huston and to DPL, both of whom were attacked by these disgusting people in different ways. I also want to give a nod to Anthony Brink, the one person who you would think would get air-time with these people and has not. Thank you all for your important work and for your voices gentlemen O7.
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